BDS leaders and activists tend to make a lot of noise around what they consider “successful” campaigns, i.e. affirmation of specific calls for boycott. One of their main targets are Israeli products, and more specifically items produced in the Palestinian/ occupied territories.
A recent example is the plan to change the labeling of these products in South Africa, A prospect that sent the BDSers to celebrate with joy – Online and offline.
What they probably don’t take into account is the fact that these factories they call to boycott and shut down, pay salaries to thousands (around 15,000) of Palestinian workers, receive social benefits and the same paychecks as the Israeli workers.
I simply cannot understand this call for boycott. Are thousands of families and individuals becoming unemployed a good thing? Will the fact that they will lose their source of income a reason to celebrate? Is the unholy principle of boycott more important than actual people, with actual lives (Not internet ”personas”) being fired?
Take for example the Lipski Plastic Industries factory, located in the Barkan Industrial Zone. There are 80 workers in this factory, 40 out of which are Palestinian. But apparently these concerned workers are simply not part of the BDSers’ plan. No-one cares about them losing their jobs.
The away I see it, these factories are small colonies of co-existence, places where Jews and Arabs work together. I don’t see the sense in boycotting (And hoping to shut down) these places.
Has anyone heard of a campaign calling to buy Palestinian produce’ rather than boycotting? Of course not, because BDSers believe that hate and destruction are more effective than cooperation and debate
The more I look into this issue’ the more I feel that the BDS activists have, in fact, no real desire of peace and that will do anything in their power to avoid it – As long as their self-righteous facade is kept in tact.
All the while, actual Palestinian factories are being bombed and blocked, so normal Palestinians can’t make a living. The point of this boycott is to show the injustice forced upon by Israel.
False. The only places being bombed are the places that Hamas is using as headquarters to fire rockets into Israel. Hamas chooses to fire rockets out of civilian areas, which include neighborhoods, workplaces, schools, and hospitals. Hamas does not care about casualties—in fact, they fire rockets from these places intentionally to create casualties and thus bring more condemnation against Israel. Hamas is to blame for the plight of its people. Boycotting is not solving anything, it is just creating more problems. The real solution would be to stop Hamas from embezzling all the money sent to the Palestinians and for them to use it to help their people instead of buy weapons.
Actually, there have been several occasions where Isreal has bombed none Hamas targets, one example was this Cheese and Yogurt factory, which had been bombed 4 times since the 2008-09 war, and has nothing to do with the conflict.
Furthermore, Hamas has largely upheld the peace treaty with Israel. Rockets are being fired by other militant groups. (You may have to scroll down in order to find the info)
As I have maintained in past blogs, the only way to finally ensure peace, is for Israel to give back the land it took during the 6 Day War through negotiations. That is the only way to solve the conflict.
Hamas can’t control the other terrorist groups, or they don’t want to? They avert their gaze so they can deny responsibility. “Who us? No way! It’s those other terrorists! Really!” No, it’s Hamas, either implicitly or in complicity.
Israel was under constant attack before the Six Day War, so how could anybody think that returning the land would solve a problem that began long before 1967? Especially when Israel evacuated Gaza and was rewarded with rocket attacks. And then there’s the Hamas charter, which calls for the destruction of Israel, borders be damned. Meanwhile, the Palestinians under the PA have refused statehood. They too, refuse to live in peace with a Jewish state.
The way to solve the conflict is to halt all aid to the Palestinians. Force them to take responsibility for their own sorry, self-inflicted state.
Is that the same lack of control Israel has for Jewish Extremists as well? The same extremists attack innocent Palestinians and are considered ‘terrorists’ by the United States? Better look at yourselves before you start blaming others for the lack of peace.
This conflict has changed since the founding of the Israel. For all the talk of destroying it, Palestinians do accept the existence of the Jewish state. This was what lead to the Oslo peace accord. What they don’t accept is the illegal occupation of their land. Even if Israel has removed its ground forces, its domination of Gaza’s airspace, territorial waters, and restrictions on how many people can get out, means that the United Nations and the international community still deems it as occupied. This was the reason why Hamas was democratically elected in 2006.
Furthermore, if you’re going to back your claims that Palestinians don’t want a state, you might want to choose a source that isn’t biased, and actually gives facts. Ehud Olmert never gave offer for land, like most Israeli PM that came before him. The only person who would was Yitzhak, and he was killed for it. Recognition of a Palestinian state is actually good for peace, but Israel has gone so far to stop it, that they’ve actually blackmailed the PA, by threatening to cut off it tax revenues.
As for Camp David, the negotiations failed because refused to give back all the land it took. Most of the Israeli concessions was land that was legally Palestinian land, and accepting the deal would have meant forfeiting what was rightly theirs under international law. It was the standing of the USA that negotiations start with the precondition that the pre-1967 boarders would be the basis of the talks but Israel refused to agree to this. You can read about it here.
As for your solution, if it can be called that, basically shows how completely ignorant Zionists are. Your so wrapped in your paranoia, that you won’t admit the your own faults that fueling the conflict. Get you heads out of yours asses, and make the land offer that proves that Israel does really want peace.
I notice that whenever I argue with an Israel hater, once I poke enough holes in their Israel-hating bubble they start with insults and name-calling. Israel haters can’t stand the intrusion of reality into their “blame the Jews” fantasy world. So in return, thou art an artless beetle-headed foot-licker and a gorbellied flap-mouthed measle.
Then there’s the whining about bias in the sources I use. Bias? You bet, there’s a complete bias toward honesty. You want more bias? Here’s a site exposing the anti-Israel bias at the UK Guardian. Read it and weep. The point is not that there is bias. All sources are biased. The question is: who’s telling the truth? Hint: it ain’t your side.
Then there’s the moral equivalence angle. While the attacks by Jewish extremists are reprehensible, they are condemned by Israeli leadership, unlike Hamas, who takes a “What me worry?” position on their terrorists. And if we look at sheer numbers and fatality rates, there is no comparison to Palestinian homicide bombers, rocket attacks, baby killers, etc.
Palestinian children’s shows are full of anti-Israel incitement and anti-Semitism. Streets and public places are named after terrorist child killers. They do not accept Israel. PA maps show no Israel. Admit it. If Hamas ever decided to live in peace with Israel, the blockades and controls would be gone. They want a state of war against Israel and then they want to whine to the world that Israel isn’t being nice to them. Again, they don’t have to take responsibility because they have cheerleaders like you.
It seems that if the Palestinians don’t get exactly what they want, rather than negotiate some more, they rev up the killing machine. Of course, now Abbas is avoiding negotiations altogether on a Palestinian state that could have been in place since 1948.
Why should Israel give back any more land in return for nothing (or for rocket attacks in the case of Gaza)? Israel gave back the Sinai in return for peace, but we’ll see if the Muslim Brotherhood wants to continue that peace or if they, in order to take Egyptians’ minds off of how badly their being burned by their own government and turn their citizens’ savagery toward the Jews, repudiates the agreement. How many times are the Islamic nations allowed to start wars and promote terrorism with no consequences? How many “do overs” are they allowed in their quest to destroy the Jewish state? When has anything ever been demanded of the Palestinians in return for the “painful concessions” always asked of Israel?
Ok, lets get some things straight before we continue.
First off, I “do not” hate Israel. I believe that Israel has the right to exist, and I also believe in the two state solution. I also find it terribly ironic when you talk about how “Israel Haters” are stuck in their “Blame the Jews” Fantasy world, when you yourself are stuck in what could be best described as a “Blame the Arabs” mentality. This is why I called Zionists ignorant, because even I can admit that I can be wrong sometimes, but Zionists can’t.
Secondly, I do not support Hamas. They are a terrorist organisation, and have committed crimes against the population of Israel. My main arguments are against Israeli foreign policy, and how Israel is the one blocking the route to peace.
So lets get started. So that site you linked to me, while I can’t go through every it posts about the Guardian, being it would take far too long, I can talk about one such story. It uses the story as an example of bias, but it comes from the comment is free section, where anyone can write whatever they want. Even I would admit that the article doesn’t comprehend the full nature of the conflict.
As for the other stories about the Guardian, they mostly talk about how the Guardian is failing to report the attacks by Militants. I’ve already talked about the subject in another blog, so here it is:
“Its a sad fact that only death can bring the worlds’ attention. Right know, the biggest stories that are coming out of the Middle East are about the Syrian civil war, and the bombings in Iraq. Stories comes and goes, and only those with the biggest headlines get the most attention. Still, just because newspapers are limited, doesn’t mean that the internet isn’t. The fact that we can learn about this here is a bigger triumph for journalism. It’s just up to us to interpret these facts.”
Even you have to admit that at the end of the day, It’s the facts that matter. Even though the Israeli Leadership condemned these attacks, they have done nothing to prevent further attacks from happening. In fact, it continues to become worse. Even in face of this, nothing seems to have happened to stop these attacks. As for your comparison, it doesn’t really match up when you take into account the Gaza war, where 926 civilians were killed. You can see why Gazans don’t view Israel in a favorable light.
This whole conflict is based on a eye for an eye mentality. One side attacks, and the other side retaliates. Only Israel has the power to end it, because it is occupying land that legally belongs to Palestine. By giving the land back through negotiations, Hamas and other Militants will lose their support, and their power. They were elected by the people of Gaza, they can be overthrown by the people of Gaza.
Israel however, has refused to agree to this. You claim that Israel has made efforts to give back land, but you don’t back it up. The truth is while Israel talks of peace, settlers continue move into illegally occupied land. They know that this will disrupt the peace process, but they carry on anyway.
The fact is that the peace process has not gone far enough. Nothing has accomplished for the last decade, and its that reason that the attacks keep on coming. It’s sad to see it go this way, and is also sad how neither side has made any mass attempts of starting the peace process. The only thing they keep doing is point fingers at each other.
Still, I maintain that Israel is the one that needs to make the first move. It’s continuing occupation of the Gaza strip, and the West bank settlements are the main cause for the conflict today. Arabs have moved on from trying to get rid of Israel. Now they want is rightfully theirs under UN law.
Ahh, so you take the “moral equivalence” route. I know others who take the same mode of thought. You’re all wrong, and here’s why. You have to ignore certain facts in order to still accept it, for example, the two state solution. It doesn’t matter whether or not you believe in it. Neither Hamas nor the PA, not to mention the rest of the Islamic world believes in it. They have the firearms to wreak violence in quest of their one state solution. That trumps both of our keyboards.
Speaking of Hamas, they admit that 600-700 of their terrorists were killed during Cast Lead. As they wear no uniform it’s easy to pretend that they were civilians. That doesn’t leave room for the previously claimed 926 civilian deaths. Of course Hamas conducts operations from heavy populated areas, using Gazans, especially children as human shields. They militarize schools, hospitals, and mosques hoping that civilians will be killed so that Israel will be condemned.
And there is no “eye for an eye mentality”. Hamas targets women and children. The IDF targets Hamas. Yes, unfortunately Gazan civilians die. Review my section on Hamas’ use of human shields.
You ignore generations of violence to pretend that this is strictly a modern conflict that began after the 6-Day War. Arabs began slaughtering Jews even before Israel became a state. Recall the Hebron Massacre in 1929, and that was only one of many. If the facts matter, then look at facts previous to 1967.
Your analysis of negotiations is, I’m sorry to say, naïve at best. Yes, Hamas was freely elected, but don’t ever look at them to give up power. Any support that Hamas has lost has been due to corruption and the cruel treatment of Gazans. The only way they can be overthrown is through violence by the Palestinian people. Don’t count on any more free elections in Gaza, at least with non-Hamas candidates. For more on this subject, see Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and the rest of the Islamic world.
How does the land belong to “Palestine?” Egypt and Jordan occupied it from 1948 to 1967 and nobody cared. Before that Jews who moved into Palestine, a backwater of the Ottoman Empire acquired land legally.
It’s time to recognize that the peace process is a myth. As I previously stated, absent the constant refusal of the Arabs to accept it, there could have been a Palestinian state back in 1948. Current Palestinian leadership refuses to negotiate, and previous Palestinian administrations have duped a number of American and Israeli leaders. Good faith was never a Palestinian tactic. That’s obvious by Palestinian intifadas, terrorism, rocket attacks, riots, etc.
Since the Palestinians aren’t interested in peace, but demand to simply be handed everything they demand like a nursery full of spoiled children, why not expand settlements? Palestinians need to be held to the same standard as ever other nation if they expect to become a nation and to know that the longer they refuse peace the more they will lose. It’s called learning to taking responsibility for one’s actions, something that has never been demanded of the Palestinians. By not holding Palestinian leadership accountable (and I don’t mean in the morally equivalent manner you profess) the world allows and encourages Palestinian obstreperousness, hate, and violence.
Who is really willing to live in peace? Look at each society and what they value. (Refer back to the Palestinian public places named after terrorists). There are Jewish, Muslim, and Christian citizens of Israel with equal rights. Not so in Gaza or the West Bank. The Christian minorities are shrinking in both places (while growing in Israel). And Jews? Yeah, right
Shame, I thought you actually address the settlement issue, but you continue to blame the Palestinians for practically everything. You even go on to repeat the claim that everyone is out to destroy Israel, despite the PNA, the legitimate representatives of the Palestine people, recognising Israel’s right to exist. You can show me that link from before, but it’s ridiculous to say this is what the actual leadership thinks. You can point to Hamas’s charter as well, but in the end, their power comes from anger from Israel, and it’s continued occupation of its land.
Yes, Hamas has committed atrocities during the war, but this does not excuse Israel from doing the same thing. During the war, Israel committed similar atrocities, including the shelling of neighborhoods, and using children as human shields. You can find more examples here. True, there a long list of massacres of Jews, though I find it funny that you use an example where in the same event, 435 Jews were saved by Arab families, but there is also a long list of Arab massacres too. Like I said, in the end, it really does become an eye for an eye.
It is also true that Hamas won’t give up power that easily, and that they have abused their power, but they are not stupid. In the face of vast opposition to them, they will back down. They have already shown this, when they dropped their support for President Assad, even at the cost of Iranian funding. Your view that the Islamic world rules against its people is completely out of touch with the realities on the ground, and reflects Israel’s own paranoia.
As for your argument that the land didn’t belong to Palestine in the first place, it is a view only shared by Israel. The rest of the international community however, agrees that the land taken during the 6 day war, still constituted as territorial violations, and thus illegal. Egypt and Jordan both represented the Palestine territories, and passed these claims onto the PLO. You can brag about the technicality all you like, the international community has spoken.
As I said before, Israel has to give back the land it has taken if it is serious about peace. Everyone agrees that it is the settlements that are the main roadblocks to peace, but Israel continues to increase their size. You call Palestinians spoiled children, but this evidence proves that Israel is the spoiled brat, kicking and screaming, until it only gets what it wants. It’s this reason why this conflict continues, and it doesn’t rest on Hamas’s shoulders. It lies on Israel’s.
Gasp! I’ve been shamed. Wait, no I haven’t. I have addressed the settlement issue. Israel is right. The Palestinians and the “international community” (and that includes the EU) are wrong. The Palestinians are wholly to blame for the conflict. As I’ve already stated, the Palestinians could have had their own nation as far back as 1948, (as much as you hate to go back any further than 1967 (and we thought young-earth-creationists were bad)) a time when they and the international community referred to them as Arabs, had they, as Israel did, accept the U.N. partition plan. As for giving up more land when nothing is expected of the Palestinians, why? Giving up Gaza has proven once again that appeasing terrorists is a losing strategy. By the way, I never said everyone is trying to destroy Israel, only the Islamic world and their anti-Semitic fellow travelers.
The problem with your repeated appeal to the opinions of the international community is that the international community (once again, including the EU) does not have Israel’s best interests at heart. Israel does. And as your mother must have told you as you were growing up – the fact that everybody else is doing it or thinking it, doesn’t make it right, especially when it is the current UN that seems to be the voice of the international community. I would have more faith in the international community if they were as concerned with actual humanitarian disasters like Sudan, Somalia, Tibet, as they were every time Israel is forced to defend itself. I would have more faith in them if they could respond to disasters as quickly and as efficiently as Israel did after the Haitian, Thai, and Japanese disasters.
Why shouldn’t some Arabs help Jews? They aren’t all terrorists, right? Some are able to reject their governmental and societal incitements to Jew-hatred (a hatred that stretches back long before the founding of modern Israel). Comparing the Israeli vs Arab use of human shields; Hamas etc., still uses them to increase casualties, especially civilian casualties, and of course, nobody in the international community cares. Due to condemnation from the international community and internal soul-searching though, Israel no longer engages in that practice.
Your list of alleged list of Arab massacres isn’t very long, but I guess you have to take whatever you can get from whatever source you can find. I’m surprised neither list has the “Jenin Massacre” nor Mohammed al-Dura on them. Another point of interest is that massacres of Jews took place whenever the local Arab population could be riled up enough to attack the Jews. The alleged massacres of Arabs took place during wars either started or provoked by Arabs.
As much as I like to add a bit of levity to this discussion to keep myself entertained, you’ve outdone me in the humor department with the contention that “Egypt and Jordan represented the Palestinian territories and passed these claims onto the PLO” and even found a source for the claim on Wikipedia. But according to this Wikipedia page, Jordan annexed the “West Bank” and offered Jordanian citizenship to WB Arabs. The use of nameless “handpicked representatives” should have been the give-away that this may be another fraudulent claim. And here, Egypt administered Gaza through a military governor. No mention of any “representation”.
In short, Israel is right. Palestinians are wrong. There is no moral equivalence, eye-for-an-eye, or tit-for-tat between them. The Palestinians and their allies-of-convenience, will easily lie if necessary to demonize Israel. It’s a shame that so many people fall for it.
Sorry for the late reply, I went on holiday, and have distracted by other things. So lets begin the fun again.
For starters, you say that giving back land only appeases the terrorists, but how has the blockade stopped the rocket attacks? Oh wait, they haven’t. The rockets now come from underground tunnels along the Egyptian boarder. The only thing the blockade has done derived the people of the Gaza strip, of actually making a decent living, and restrict their food supply, all in vein attempt to try and overthrow Hamas, even though the blockade has actually entrenched it. Face it, Israel has completely failed defeating Hamas.
Furthermore, your depiction of how the international community is completely wrong, only serves to show people how paranoid you truly are. They and the UN do not exist to give a Israel a rubber stamp of approval. The UN exists to try and maintain peace, which Israel has failed to do on multiple occasions. We are not here to debate about the countless problems of the world. We are focusing on the Israel-Arab conflict.
I do have to congratulate on finding a large number of sources you brought up to back to claims. I’m sure if I spent all my time researching, I can back it all up too, though I very much doubt it’s the Arabs own fault that Israeli militants killed over a hundred people in Deir Yassin. I do what I can with the sources I have, like this chart:
Or this documentary on how the building of wall has destroyed a community and killed people. No doubt you’ll try disclaim with some rant you found on the internet, but I’ll keep on find more examples. And as those examples keep building up, it becomes pretty clear that not all of them are false.
Israel can no longer play the victim. It is the dominant power in the conflict systematically destroying a people’s livelihoods and killing their culture. It has everything, but denies the Palestinians their own basic rights, and their land. Funny that on the same wikipedia page on Jordan Annexation, it was again reject by the Arab League, and only 3 countries recognised it. Not a very convincing platform, is it?
The technicality of who was running the Gaza strip, and the West Bank, does not dismiss the rights of the Palestinian people. Even the basically policy of the United States regarding the conflict, is that the pre-1967 boarders should the starting point of negotiations. It is only Israel who rejects this. Even now, they try applying for statehood, and Israel punishes them for it. The rest of the world agrees with Palestine. It’s time to face facts.
Right, the blockades haven’t stopped the rocket attacks.
Wait a minute, Batman! Did he say “blockades” as in the plural of “blockade”? Why yes, he did, Robin. He must be referring to the blockade that no Israel-basher dare mention, the one that Egypt has been enforcing for years on its border with Gaza, necessitating the tunnels for the resupply of bomb and rocket making materials.
Gazans are suffering because of Israel? Oh, yeah, blame the Jews. Because after all, it was Israelis who destroyed the income-producing greenhouses that were left behind when Jews vacated the premises, right? Oh no, wait. They were destroyed by the Gazans themselves; another fact conveniently omitted by Israel haters everywhere. (Yeah I know, you say you don’t hate Israel, but the “facts” and sources you present in your arguments demonstrate otherwise.) But somehow amongst all of the alleged deprivation, there is the Roots Club, a shopping mall, water park, (or maybe not a water park. It looks like Hamas is committing the crimes you accuse Israel of) and a lively beach scene, not to mention a huge market in luxury goods. And we shouldn’t forget the Gaza push to capture the tourist market - check out the link. Oh the suffering! Oh, the humanity!
Israel fails to maintain peace? Is that because they haven’t been able to stop the rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza? But since the UN exists to try and maintain peace, please tell me when and where they have succeeded. I would do it myself, but all of my time has been used up. The UN has become a sad travesty of a noble idea. Refer to my previous comments on the moral vacuity of the UN.
Oh dear, you seem to be upset that it’s so easy to refute your claims. You have the same access to the same Internet that I have. If all you can find is garbage to support your argument, you’d better examine your argument.
Deir Yassin, Deir Yassin, Deir Yassin, everybody shout Deir Yassin. Refer back to my comments on Mohammed Dura and the “Jenin Massacre.” And add the Gaza Beach libel.
Oh no! My opponent has produced the graph showing the number of children killed on both sides.
Are you upset that Palestinian terrorists haven’t murdered more Israeli children? This graph adds nothing to the argument, as the number of dead has no bearing on who’s right or wrong, especially as blame for every dead child on both sides must reside with the Palestinians - who love death. They target Israeli kids, and use their own as human shields. This slows down the IDF, who respect life. It also serves as fodder for the Israel-haters and deluded fools of the world, who don’t give a damn about murdered Israeli kids, but cry gallons of crocodile tears at the accidental death of Palestinian human shields – uh – I mean kids. But then, it’s like Golda Meir said, “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”
Speaking of ignoring murdered Israelis, the separation barrier could be dismantled tomorrow if the Palestinians agree to live in peace with Israel. Even though Palestinian homicide bombings have dropped to zero since its construction, saving lives on both sides, the Israel haters complain that Palestinians are being inconvenienced. Yep, many terrorists have been inconvenienced and denied their livelihood (or would it be “deathlyhood”?)
You speak of Palestinian culture. Please give some examples. The only rights Palestinians are denied are those of murdering Israelis. And how is it Palestinian land? It was Jordanian and Egyptian land from 1948 – 1967 before people pretended to care about the Palestinians. Before that it was British, and previous to the British, it was Ottoman land, except for what was bought by Jews.
The fact that the Jordanian annexation was rejected by the Arab League had what effect on the annexation? Nothing, no effect at all. Jordan didn’t care. Neither did any of the current organizations or individuals claiming to be champions of the Palestinian “cause.”
See my previous posts regarding world opinion.
So, once again with the “paranoia?” Here is paranoia. Dig it.
You know, I was trying to be civilised about this, but you seem to have about the same stupidity as Tom Akin, so allow me to crush you like he was in the elections.
First off, when talking about the so called ‘Egyptian Blockade’ you might want to choose a source that isn’t 3 MONTHS OLD!!! The tunnels are now up and running again, though not at their full capacity. This meanwhile cannot be compared with Israel’s attempt to borderline starve Gaza into submission.
But wait, there’s a shop mail? I never knew that. That’s completely changed my perception of the entireNOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTT (see how much of a Jackass I’m acting? Though I’m suppose it’s not too hard for you, since all you have to do is look in the mirror). Considering though that Gaza will barely livable by 2020, I think having a shopping mall will be the least of their concerns.
The point of the graph was to show the overwhelming power of Israel, to show that it can’t pretend that it isn’t to blame. We’ve already seeing it this weekend. A little boy gets killed by Israeli soldiers, which is then followed by an attack. This then followed by the Israeli shelling, which kills 2 Palestinians and wounds 25 others, with the latest update being 4. Now we have rocket fire coming from militants, as Israelis run their shelters. Meanwhile, 5 Palestinians are dead.
This is the reason why the conflict is still ongoing. You can cite all the massacrers you want, but it still doesn’t change the fact that Israel isn’t doing anything to stop the violence. It goes on to protect its soldiers, even after they kill innocent civilians, and recently set a president to make every civilian in Gaza a legitimate target. So much for “respecting life.” This only fuels extremism and is the reason why Hamas still has support. Israel has shown no sign of stopping, so why should they?
You want some prove of Palestinian culture. How about this, or this? In fact, how about an entire website, devoted to it. It’s just like Gandhi said, “Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France belongs to the French.”
Since you’re so insistent that the West Bank belonged to Jordan at the time of the 6 Day War, then you must acknowledge it as its sovereign territory. That would mean that when Israel took the land, it was illegally occupying land that belonged to other states. Ha! Either way, Israel is completely and utterly wrong. The best part about it, when after the PLO gained power, the infringement of Egyptian and Jordan territory went to them, so in the end, it’s still Palestinian territory.
The wall may protect you, but it is also denying the Palestinians the right to control their lives, and with it, any chance of peace. Israel is still building it’s settlement, which you have completely failed in justifying. I’ve already mention how the second intifada was caused by Israel’s refusal to give back what doesn’t belong and the rest of the world agrees. I’ve proved you wrong about 5 times in the post, and all you got are bunch recycled one liners that no-one gives a shit about.
So how about it? Do you want some more humiliation?
P.S. That’s a cute picture of the boy. Here’s one with a girl, holding an assault rifle. It’s a shame though that when Israeli’s are taught defensive techniques, it quickly becomes offensive.
Furthermore, what proof from my sources do you have that hate Israel? I never said that I blamed the Jews for anything (But given that’s it your natural reaction to assume so, maybe you should look at who’s actually the racist one here).
Like many Israel bashers before you, when you run out of anything resembling an intelligent argument on the morality of your position, you stoop to invective and name-calling. Fortunately in your case, you still shine with that wacky sense of humor. You, a supporter of the vile, savage terrorists of Hamas, were trying to be civilized? Quite a chuckle-worthy line. And the “acting like a jackass” line, I wasn’t aware that you were acting.
But let’s get down to business:
The “so called ‘Egyptian Blockade’?” Perhaps you should take time off of name-calling and spend more time reading your Electronic Intifada links that talk about Egypt restricting building supplies into Gaza, which sounds vaguely like a blockade, something that didn’t exist until Gazans started attacking Israel after Israel vacated Gaza.
Speaking of forcing yourself to the miss the point, go and find somebody to reread you my last post about all of the luxuries available in Gaza. And don’t forget about the greenhouses. In other words, if anyone in Gaza is starving, it’s the fault of Hamas and the Gazans.
Yes, Israel does have a more powerful military than Gaza. How that implies blame for anything is anybody’s guess. It does show a knowledge based society that works to improve the lives and protect the lives of its citizens rather than a terror-based society that uses its children and terror-supporting tools like Rachel Corrie as pawns and human sacrifices in its genocidal war against Israel.
Yes, unfortunately as hard as they try not to, sometimes Israel does inadvertently kill a Gazan human shield. As we’ve seen in previous posts, Palestinians regularly lie. And as we’ve also seen when Hamas kills a kid, (sometimes their own rockets fall into Gaza) they blame it on Israel, just like you try to lay all blame at Israel’s feet.
You still complain that Israel is doing nothing to stop the violence, but what is Hamas doing? Now that a truce has been agreed to, how long do you think it will be before Hamas begins lobbing rockets into Israel again?
Using Rachel Corrie or any other isolated incident of Hamas human sacrifice against Israel is simply dishonest. If it were true, there would be many more dead. For more information on this, see Syria. And again, the fuel for extremism is Palestinian society and culture, as seen in your links to Palestinian culture; Yasir Arafat, Fidel Castro, homage to dead terrorists, rock throwing, it’s all there. Cool water slide though in the water park. And I like the kid playing the violin. They need more of that and less of the terrorist-worship.
Jordan did cede sovereignty to the PLO in 1988. In other words, they weren’t going to fight for it, but they wanted to stick it to Israel. Of course, had the PLO agreed to live in peace, as I’ve said before, there would be a Palestinian state, and no barrier. No matter how hard you try to deny it, the Palestinians can’t have it both ways, constant war and terrorism against Israel and constant claims that they’re victims of Israeli aggression. They are liars, and it’s people like you who allow the lies and the violence to fester and the constant war and death to continue. As long as Palestinians aren’t held accountable more of their children will be cynically sacrificed to the cause of Jew killing. I don’t have to justify Israel’s building in Judea and Samaria. Palestinians insist on war, but they insist, again with your help, of not suffering the consequences of war. Life doesn’t work that way. Actions have consequences.
Israeli girl holding an assault rifle, oh dear! An Israeli girl practicing and learning to defend herself against the terrorists you support, another chance for you to proclaim a false moral equivalence. Maybe one day she will save lives by shooting a Palestinian dressed in explosives before he can murder a busload of children.
As for proving me wrong, there’s your wacky sense of humor at work again. You keep saying you don’t hate Israel, but you still blame Israel for Palestinian pathologies that have existed in Islam for centuries. You still believe and propagate the anti-Israel lies. “Blame Israel” is recycled “blame the Jews.” When you choose to ignore Syria and Sudan (among others) to insanely focus on the one Jewish state, yeah, you suffer from “Blame The Jews”.
So go ahead and rant some more. Call me names. Who cares? You are still siding with the terrorists against the one moral and decent country in the Middle East.